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Grizzly mill model decision
May 8, 2011
4:19 PM
jeremy0203
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Prob gonna order one of these soon as I am sure it will take a couple months until they are in stock. The two models I am looking at are the G0463 which is their version of the X3 and the G0704 which they recently started selling again. The X3 has more X and Z travel whereas the 0704 has more Z . the x3 is a good bit heavier but i have also read the 0704 build quality is pretty good and shouldnt have probs with rigidity at the lower weight. it also comes with a stand.

 

anyone have any experience with either of these or an opinion?

 

http://www.grizzly.com/product…..rill/G0463

http://www.grizzly.com/product…..tand/G0704

May 8, 2011
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jeremy0203:

I have the SX3 version of the 463. I like it quite a bit although I am far from an expert. It seems solid and well built.

Hope this helps

Bob

May 8, 2011
5:48 PM
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All the BF stile mill owners on this site are going to be angry at my, anyway in my opinion the G0704 is an inferior mill to the G0463 with a few bells and whistles on the exterior. You are going to thank your self later when you can take heavier cuts and can fit a larger vice. If your still undeceives you can spend another $320 and get the SX3, a machine with all the benefits of both machines. I understand that the SX3 is costs significantly more but you could get the X3 and little by little add the those bells and whistles you can make or buy from a third party, These include a quill DRO, tachometer and stand. For the quill DRO you can find dozens of people who had modified a cheep digital caliper to fit a drill press or mill, a cheap 7x tachometer from LMS and finally you can through a few 2x4 together and make a stand. The X3 mill is a decent machine but still a knee mill is miles ahead of any mill and drill, the rising table is as important to a machinist as four wheel drive is to an off road driver, to quote my self earlier "You will have no regrets buying a knee mill, at least until the loan shark comes to your door".

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May 8, 2011
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I have the G0704 and am quite happy with it.  As Alexander has said, though, it is a lighter machine.  I was attracted by the price of the machine, as well as the fact that it came with the cabinet.  It's since gone up in price (although not by much). 

 

I don't think that anyone is going to be angry at you Alexander for calling a spade a spade.  The 0704 is a smaller machine; there's no getting around that.  A look at the weights of the two machines will tell you that (shipping weight for the 0704 is 290lbs, whereas its ~450lbs for the 463 and the 619).  However, you do get a huge table (bigger than the 463's), with a really large travel (also greater than the 463's, except for z-travel), and the 0704 is easily broken down into several pieces that are easily handled by one person.  That last point was really important for me, as I currently am renting, and I know that I will have to move the machine at least one more time!  Similar to my decision to buy my 8x14 lathe over a 7x, I didn't want an X2 (mini mill), but I didn't want to get something that I couldn't move on my own.

 

All of that having been said, the 0704 is a great machine, and does everything that I have asked it to do so far.  There is one really nice feature that the 0704 has that the 463 does not, and that is that the head on the 0704 can be rotated 90 degrees, giving you a fourth axis.  You need to move up to the sX3 to get the tilting head in another similarly sized mill.

 

-Chris

May 9, 2011
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Jeremy,

I'm not sure what your budget is like, but what about an RF-45 clone?  Much heavier machine than the two you are looking at.

The Grizzly version is the G0519 at $2339 delivered.  The only problem I see with this unit is that the 1 HP motor is 3-phase.

 

 

 

Wholesale Tool has the ZX45 at $1795, which doesn't include shipping.  The ZX45 appears to be nearly identical to the Grizzly G0519. This mill has a 1.5 HP motor that is 110 Volt single-phase. The guy at hossmachine.info has this exact mill.  Of course, he also has a G0704.

 

 

If you want to keep in the size you originally mentioned, how about the Lathemaster LMT25L for $1379 delivered?  It appears to be equivalent to the Grizzly G0619 (which is a deluxe version of the G0463), but has a larger table and larger X and Y travels.  The only bad thing is that it appears to be on backorder….

 

May 9, 2011
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I'm an owner of a PM25, another clone of the Bf20/0704.  There is nothing wrong in pointing out that the one machine is lighter.  As far as cuts I can't take?  I don't know what they are.  Since I have CNC'd the machine it has proven it can take bites into steel that exceed my level of comfort and keep on chugging.  As a lighter machine it is going to setup vibration easier and may be a bit more flexible when really pushing it but I never had trouble doing precise work with a finishing pass and that's something that even RF-45s need too.

 

Here's a video of the machine working 1144 steel with a rougher.  I could have taken a deeper cut too as the table was not giving a lot of resistance and most of the noise was the @#$@ gear clatter that I plan to get rid of with a belt drive soon.  It gnawed that block down for me much faster than I had imagined it was going to.

 

The X3 and SX3 are also good solid machines.  I was also in the boat of needing something that I could man-handle into the basement so I settled on this after talking to a long time owner.  They told me that they cut AL like plastic and had to really go crazy in that to have any problems, and that steel work was certainly in it's ability but was of course a more unforgiving beast to work in.  I doubt the X3's are going to run big circles around these although they may well have better hunks of iron behind them.  If I were going to go for an X3 I'd be looking for the long table versions I have seen coming out.  That long table makes life soooo much easier in setting up work.  I can often do a one-off table setup to the side of my vise and not need to remove it at all.

 

Bang for buck was what convinced me.  It's going to be fine for the work I have in mind and it included a stand and a lot of features I would otherwise need to mod/add and at a lower price point.  Tapered gibs on the X/Y are another nice touch that once you have used, you will not appreciate the fiddling set-screws on other machines.  They are never working loose on me like the set-screws do.

 

Everyone likes what they bought though so you'll have to read the testimonials and make up your own mind.  It can sure seem overwhelming and the creep to ever heavier machine options can be hard to resist too.  Gotta keep it within what's reasonable for you to do and manage.

May 9, 2011
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origin7511 said:

I'm an owner of a PM25, another clone of the Bf20/0704.  There is nothing wrong in pointing out that the one machine is lighter.  As far as cuts I can't take?  I don't know what they are.  Since I have CNC'd the machine it has proven it can take bites into steel that exceed my level of comfort and keep on chugging.  As a lighter machine it is going to setup vibration easier and may be a bit more flexible when really pushing it but I never had trouble doing precise work with a finishing pass and that's something that even RF-45s need too.

 

Here's a video of the machine working 1144 steel with a rougher.  I could have taken a deeper cut too as the table was not giving a lot of resistance and most of the noise was the @#$@ gear clatter that I plan to get rid of with a belt drive soon.  It gnawed that block down for me much faster than I had imagined it was going to.

 

The X3 and SX3 are also good solid machines.  I was also in the boat of needing something that I could man-handle into the basement so I settled on this after talking to a long time owner.  They told me that they cut AL like plastic and had to really go crazy in that to have any problems, and that steel work was certainly in it's ability but was of course a more unforgiving beast to work in.  I doubt the X3's are going to run big circles around these although they may well have better hunks of iron behind them.  If I were going to go for an X3 I'd be looking for the long table versions I have seen coming out.  That long table makes life soooo much easier in setting up work.  I can often do a one-off table setup to the side of my vise and not need to remove it at all.

 

Bang for buck was what convinced me.  It's going to be fine for the work I have in mind and it included a stand and a lot of features I would otherwise need to mod/add and at a lower price point.  Tapered gibs on the X/Y are another nice touch that once you have used, you will not appreciate the fiddling set-screws on other machines.  They are never working loose on me like the set-screws do.

 

Everyone likes what they bought though so you'll have to read the testimonials and make up your own mind.  It can sure seem overwhelming and the creep to ever heavier machine options can be hard to resist too.  Gotta keep it within what's reasonable for you to do and manage.

 

yeah i am really leaning hard towards the 0704, for the price it looks to be a good machine and will do all the work i have planned for it.the RF45 looks really nice, i see in the past couple years the price has jumped a good bit on those ones. would definitely not mind that but at this point i think i need something smaller as i am working in a single car garage.

 

do you have any info on your CNC conversion of it? i am almost finished with a CNC conversion on a G0602 10x22" lathe and plan on whatever mill i get to at some point convert that as well.

May 9, 2011
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The Lathemaster LMT25L actually is another BF25-style mill, basically the same as the G0704 (The Lathemaster has a smaller table, though).  I actually looked at it first, as I have been fantastically happy with my Lathemaster 8x14 mill.  The price on the Grizzly + included cabinet sold me, though.

 

May 9, 2011
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 jeremy0203 said:

yeah i am really leaning hard towards the 0704, for the price it looks to be a good machine and will do all the work i have planned for it.the RF45 looks really nice, i see in the past couple years the price has jumped a good bit on those ones. would definitely not mind that but at this point i think i need something smaller as i am working in a single car garage.

 

do you have any info on your CNC conversion of it? i am almost finished with a CNC conversion on a G0602 10x22" lathe and plan on whatever mill i get to at some point convert that as well.

 

The conversion was all done based on plans from Hoss on CNCZone or G0704.com.  For me there are modifications that had to be made here and there but it was simple was pie to get going on stock screws using his plans.  I now have Z on ball screws and I'm working on getting the X/Y on ball screws now.  After that is done she's going to fly.  I can make aluminum parts now without much effort.  Takes more time to setup and change tools now than it does to cut the part.  Steel is slower but carbide end mills are paying off there as I can move at almost the same cutting rate but with less aggressive depth and width settings.  I just pocketed out some steel plate last night for my lathe feet and got a fantastic surface finish from the new ATRAX carbide end mills.  Nice straw chips so really I could have pushed harder.  10IPM with a 3/8" EM  0.070" DOC and 0.100" WOC.  Fun times!

May 10, 2011
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origin7511 said:

  jeremy0203 said:

yeah i am really leaning hard towards the 0704, for the price it looks to be a good machine and will do all the work i have planned for it.the RF45 looks really nice, i see in the past couple years the price has jumped a good bit on those ones. would definitely not mind that but at this point i think i need something smaller as i am working in a single car garage.

 

do you have any info on your CNC conversion of it? i am almost finished with a CNC conversion on a G0602 10x22" lathe and plan on whatever mill i get to at some point convert that as well.

 

The conversion was all done based on plans from Hoss on CNCZone or G0704.com.  For me there are modifications that had to be made here and there but it was simple was pie to get going on stock screws using his plans.  I now have Z on ball screws and I'm working on getting the X/Y on ball screws now.  After that is done she's going to fly.  I can make aluminum parts now without much effort.  Takes more time to setup and change tools now than it does to cut the part.  Steel is slower but carbide end mills are paying off there as I can move at almost the same cutting rate but with less aggressive depth and width settings.  I just pocketed out some steel plate last night for my lathe feet and got a fantastic surface finish from the new ATRAX carbide end mills.  Nice straw chips so really I could have pushed harder.  10IPM with a 3/8" EM  0.070" DOC and 0.100" WOC.  Fun times!

 

i have been watching videos on youtube of G0704/BF20's and just now realized i was watching your videos yesterday lol

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