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2:20 PM June 27, 2010
| Wooly Mammoth
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Numerous people here have mentioned that HSS gives a superior finish to lathe work over carbide cutters. Even as a beginner, I've been disappointed in my rsults with carbide, soooo…. I would appreciate your recommendations re a mail-order source of 1/2" HSS so I can try making my own cutters… quality/price/service, etc.
Thanks,
– Don…. the Forum's unofficial tooling mangler. :)
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11:45 AM July 1, 2010
| nick S
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Post edited 11:52 AM – July 1, 2010 by nick sabados
hi, a good source of HSS tooling blanks is KBC Tools & Machinery, they have every thing imaginable there. there are 9 locations across north america according to their catalogue, so there shouldn't be to long of a wait for ordering stuff.
Cheers,
nick
by the way i think KBC stands for Krazy Below Cost, a piece of 1/2" by 4" long HSS costs $5.75 US
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A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity;
an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
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7:06 PM July 2, 2010
| Wooly Mammoth
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Thanks Nick,
I found KBC per your post on-line, and have signed up for their E-mail sopecials, and their catalog. You're right, they have a LOT of stuff! Great call! Now if ya could just steer me to a source for a lil robot that will clean up all the swarf!!! :) Hey, maybe someone could design one & post the plans!!! :) I've actually thought about an electro-magnet device on a gooseneck type lamp base that ya could bend over the lathe, hit the switch & it would clean things up, swivel it over a trashcan, switch it off & drop the swarf… huummm… or maybe a cheap HF magnetic base indicator stand, attached to the gooseneck inverted, switch the magnet lever 'on,' pick up the swarf, position over the trash, switch the lever 'off.' Huummm… I can see my industrial empire now!!!!! "The Wooly Mammoth Handy-dandy Lathe and Mill cleaner, as seen on TV!!! But wait, there's MORE!!! Order in the next 30 minutes and receive a FREE authentic autographed picture of Tyler demonstrating the finer points of his gas-powered Redneck 'Rita Mixer to Sasquach!"
– Don -wondering how I managed to annoy people before Algore invented the internet! :)
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7:12 PM July 3, 2010
| Tyler
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I agree with Don, KBC is a good find! Thanks for the tip Nick!
I'd never heard of them before. I wish their site was easier to browse – I could only download PDF pages from their catalogue (unless I'm missing something). I'd order a catalogue, but I already get one from MSC, Enco, Grizzly, and a few others. If I get any more catalogues my wife is going to throw a fit!
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7:19 PM July 3, 2010
| Tyler
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Don, to answer your original question there are several links on the home page to metalworking resources. MSC, Enco, Grizzly, HarborFreight, etc all sell HSS. I'd probably steer away from HF though since HSS can vary in quality. Therefor I wouldn't necessarily go with the cheapest. Enco and MSC frequently have free shipping on orders over a certain dollar amount. Sign up for their email flyers and be patient. I just got a heavy set of .011-.500 plug gages shipped for free!
You'll also need to be able to grind your HSS to the proper shape. The proper angles for lathe tooling can be found in your machinery's handbook and in several locations online. It's pretty easy to grind a tool to shape. Once it's ground use a diamond hone to keep it sharp between re-grindings. One tool touched up with a diamond hone periodically can last you years if properly cared for. I'd get a few pieces of HSS so that you can grind a few different tools. Also, feel free to use both ends of the HSS, that way you get two tools from one piece of HSS.
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8:10 AM July 4, 2010
| Wooly Mammoth
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Thanks Tyler, as usual, very excellent advice. Agree re navigating KBC's site… :) a definite 'WTF!!'… Will check some of the other suppliers re HSS. 'Double-eneding' them makes sense… I use the bar of a carbide tool now as a spacer to raise the cutter I'm using up closer to workin height, then use feeler gauge leaves for final adjustment.
A safe, wonderful 4th of July to all our American members here…
– Don blessed and grateful to be born an American.
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7:43 AM October 15, 2010
| JohnLawson
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I get mine from J&L Industrial/Manhattan Supply Corp. (MSC) I have found that cobalt hss works best on the ordnance steels I have to deal with. When I got a few dollars ahead, I bought a lifetime supply of toolbits and blanks, so I have one if I need it early on Sunday morning or in the middloe of the night.
Some people advise grinding on the side of a grinding wheel to prevent a hollow grind, but if you have ever seen the aftermath of a burst wheel, you will steer clear of grinding on the sides. Also, ou might want to steer clear of revolving stones from cut rate sources. Stones last a long time and it pays from a standpoint of safety, to buy the best, such as Norton. Also, NEVER, EVER, stand in line with a rotating stone. You won't be awarded a purple heart if you are injured, but we would say a few comforting words to your survivors.
And, if you ever drop a stone or hit it on the side with a sharp tool, THROW IT AWAY. I have seen shrapnel cases months later when tiny pieces work their way out, in and around. Not fun. Heaven knows how they have been handled at Harbor Freight. Stick with a known U.S. brand, bite your lip and buy one you can trust.
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9:40 AM October 15, 2010
| Wooly Mammoth
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Thank you, once again, Mr. Lawson. Will check that source for HSS tool blanks. And the safety tip re NOT standing directly in line with a grinding wheel also applies to tablesaws and circular saws – can't be repeated and heeded enough – man vs. machinery = machinery ALWAYS wins!! [and even in this day and age, they can't always put all the pieces back together!].
– Don maybe not the brightest, BUT always respectful of machinery, bladed tools and firearms…
"…a man's gotta know his limitations." – Dirty Harry Callahan
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