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10:30 AM
June 17, 2010


Wooly Mammoth

South carolina, USA

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I noticed in the Harold Hall lathe book, and have read elsewhere about mounting the toolpost on the backside of the lathe when using a cut-off or parting tool.  To this rank beginner, it seems this would mean the tool was scraping off metal rather than cutting as a normal lathe cutter.Or if one mounted the parting tool upside down, then it would cut normally… so why go to the bother of setting the toolpost back there in the first place???

   The BGT reverses at the touch of a switch. So, if there IS some benefit from 'parting off' by scraping rather than cutting, can't I leave the toolpost out front in its normal position, mount the parting cutter in the usual fashion, and just run the lathe in reverse to get the same dubious benefit? Or is this beginner missing something? [BTW, even if it IS necessary, DO NOT tell me I have to dance naked in the moonlight counter-clockwise for this to work :):):)!!!

     – Don   [who gave up dancing naked in the moonlight when the Drs took me off beer and bourbon… sigh… and I miss the dancing too :):):)

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12:46 AM
June 18, 2010


madreptillian

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Hey Mammoth. If you ask me i would not even botehr trying to set the parting tool up behind the job and havin the lathe in reverse. Why spend a good 15mins setting it up if you are going to get the same result leaving the toolpost in the original position. But yes if you were to have the parting off tool behind your job you would need to have the lathe in reverse OR set up the cutting tool upside down KEEPING in mind that you still need to be on centre height. I have just recently made a 'Left handed British Standard Pipe Taper Thread' and i thought about having the thread cutting tool upsde down to get the correct screwcutting setup. Instead i had the lathe going 'anticlockwise' (the original way it spins) and my screw cutting feed threading AWAY from the chuck. I have taken alot of photos on my phone i just cant find the damn cable to transfer them onto the computer and upload them! Damn Poms.. lol

6:04 AM
June 18, 2010


Tyler

Seattle, WA

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Yep, Mad's right. The main advantage of the parting tool behind the work is having it mounted upside down. That way you don't have to run your lathe in reverse and even more importantly, the chips fall away from the parting grove rather than filling it up. 

This setup can also be helpful if you are machining multiple small parts of the same type. Lets say you had a piece of round stock that you needed to face, turn, drill, and part off. And you needed to make 10 of them. You could face and turn with the same tool (of properly ground and set at the right angle). Then you could move that tool out of the way and drill with your tailstock. Then you could move the cross slide toward you bringing the upside down (and on centerline like Mad mentioned) parting tool into contact with the part, parting it off without ever turning your lathe off or reversing the spindle direction.

This setup saves you the step of swapping the facing/turning tool with the parting tool. Some even say that you'll get less chatter with the parting tool upside down. But you'll have to make sure that your gibs are set nice and snug (but still free moving) because the parting tool will be pulling up on the cross slide instead of pushing down.

Some lathes with longer cross slides are more suited to this setup. The lathe Harold uses (a Myford 7 if I remember correctly) is set up well for this purpose because it has a large cross slide with T-slots. My lathe has a short cross slide platform and no T-slots. So I'd have to actually machine a new longer cross slide base and either machine T-slots into it or bolt a parting tool directly to it – neither of which I want to do. 

Hope that helps!

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11:28 AM
June 18, 2010


Wooly Mammoth

South carolina, USA

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Thanks Tyler and oh mighty Madreptile !! :)

     Makes sense… IIRC, 'whilst' Mr. Hall recommended putting the partiing tool behind the work, he neglected to mention mounting it upside down… huummm… either an excess of Guiness or too much exposure to the metric system methnks… :) But then again, the Mammoth's brain could be getting fuzzy as well :)

     – Don     Doing enough things backwards by myself – don't need 'directions' to screw it up!!!  :)

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7:41 PM
June 18, 2010


madreptillian

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posts 91

Im glad it helped mam'th

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