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Toy Gyroscope
December 3, 2011
2:40 AM
Jerry
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I've been fiddling with the making of a version of the classic toy gyroscope that's been around for a very long time. Wanting one that would run for a long time I'm going for a weighty rotor and some robust construction. I've reached a stop point right now as I need to source some material for the rotor, and suss out how I'm going to handle the bearings. But for now I've used some offcuts to try a few things out, this is just an aluminium rotor on a stainless steel shaft, the final materials for these parts are yet to be decided, keeping options open there right now.

 

Anyway, here's where I am and how I got there.

 

One of the main challenges was the making of a 'cage'. This consists of two rings, one horizontal, one vertical, which have to intersect on the same plane where they meet. First stage in making these consisted of machining down a large Aluminium Bronze nut I happen to have:

 

This was bored out to a random dimension, derived from guessing the biggest ring size I could get out of the material:

 

The outside was then turned down to suit:

 

And two identical rings parted off:

 

The rings would intersect through a half lap joint, so one was mounted in a rotary table and a slot milled out to half depth. A clearance hole was included for a fixing bolt, and tapped holes added for bearing adjustment 90° to the slots:

 

The outer ring could have been machined by broaching, but it was easier to just do it by hand. So following some saw cuts and judicious filing the two rings could be coaxed together through many trial fits. Fortunately there is enough spring in the material to allow this distortion without permanent deformation:

 

A quick knock up of a temporary spindle and rotor has me at this stage so far:

 

Without proper bearings and too light a rotor it does not function properly, but it has served to allow me to check balance of the cage by hanging it from various points and seeing if it hangs true. So far it's reasonable, but the real challenge will be making a well balanced heavy rotor. Fortunately I have propeller balancers from modelling days which will make that easier, but it must be able to do a few thousand RPM without vibrating at all. First though, the bearings have to be sussed. There's a few options there, and if anyone has any ideas I'd love to hear them. From memory these toys use point bearings of dissimilar metal, i.e steel points in brass cups, which may suffice. Surprisingly I've not been able to find any real 'how to's' on the net for these.

 

 

December 3, 2011
3:32 AM
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You could inset glass cups at either end of the rotor. of course you'd either have to find and buy them or make your own and that is a different kettle of fish. Nice project so far, I've been wanting to make one of these for ages.

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December 3, 2011
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Gorgeous work, as always, Jerry!  One thing to remember about gyroscopes is that the mass of the rotor isn't what's important, it's its moment of inertia (rotational inertia).  At the risk of getting too mathy, the moment of inertia (usually denoted I) is equal to sum of mass * radius^2 for every piece of mass that you have spinning about a given axle.  In practical terms, what this means is that the moment of inertia increases with the square of the radius of a spinning object, assuming that the mass stays the same.

 

So, if you were to take your current rotor and half it's height and double its radius, the moment of inertia would increase by a factor of 4.

 

-Chris

December 4, 2011
5:05 PM
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Yeah I think I'm with that one. In effect the more weight there is towards the periphery the better. I plan to use a dished rotor, like a disc wheel, Which I hope will achieve that aim.

 

Just have to wait for some three inch steel to come along! Confused.

December 5, 2011
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Hi Jerry,  Navigational gyros use ceramic ball bearings – if it would help I should be able to get some old ones – we service them here.  I have started collecting a number of small bearings for projects (I think they are normaly fine for "homebrew" use after their service replacement!).

 

I am planing to make one at some stage, though I was planning a more "real" approach, with 2 rings bearinged together and on a stand, so the rotor is totally free, without any forces required.  I am also planning a motor drive, though I doubt I can even reach the 15K RPM of the slower gyro's!

 

Regards

Peet

December 5, 2011
5:45 AM
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That is way cool.  Really like the nice pics so far.

 

Interested to see what the final product looks like.

December 5, 2011
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Just to follow up on my original post about mass vs. moment of inertia, here is a table of formulas for moments of inertia for various geometries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…..of_inertia

 

Also, moments of inertia add just like mass.  Finally, a common error is to think that things like rings have a greater moment of inertia than discs, etc, when made from the same material.  One tends to get this idea by misinterpreting the formulas. For instance, I_ring = mr^2 , whereas I_disc = (mr^2)/2 ; the moment of inertia of the ring looks to be twice that of the disc.  However, if the two were made of the same material, the mass of the ring would be a lot less than that of the disc, since it would contain a lot less material.

December 5, 2011
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I loved gyroscopes as a kid! I'm definitely adding this to my to-do list of projects. Great stocking stuffer for a lucky kid or the kid at heart.

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December 6, 2011
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Soundreflections said:

Hi Jerry,  Navigational gyros use ceramic ball bearings – if it would help I should be able to get some old ones – we service them here.  I have started collecting a number of small bearings for projects (I think they are normaly fine for "homebrew" use after their service replacement!).

 

Those sound very interesting Peet, what sizes are these things?

 

 

December 7, 2011
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Hi Jerry,  The Gyro sizes, or the bearings?  The gyros have about 400mm bases, they are about 500-600mm tall.  I have 4 sizes of bearing, 30mmOD, 10mmID; 19mmOD, 6mmID; 15.9mmOD, 6.3mmID; 12.7mmOD, 4.7mmID.  Though some are sealed bearings my plan is to pry the sides off, so one can clean and lubricate the bearing for less friction.

The larger bearing has ceramic balls and would spin at about 12K RPM, at about 60deg C in that model of gyro.

Regards

Peet

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