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I need some advice from wise old machinists about moving my mill, and I'm a new guy
December 7, 2011
8:56 PM
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I have a bridgeport type knee mill, it weighs about 1300 pounds. I need to move it from corvallis to woodburn oregon, about about 60 miles. I got it here in my 3/4 ton f250, and called bobs towing, and they brought out their crane boom truck, and lifted it out of my truck, and set it down, and only charged me $60, they unloaded my lathe (burmingham 12 36) for the same price also. I need to move it into a garage that has, i think a 7 foot clearance, I will measure it this weekend. I am building a 9.5 foot tall gantry crane, and I got a 1 ton harbur freight chain hoist to lift the machines into the f250.

The rafters in the garage are 9 feet tall, so I will put the gantry cross beam over the rafters, and bolt them onto the 9.5 foot legs, then back my truck under the gantry.

with the head not inverted on the mill it is 6 foot tall, with the head inverted it will be 5 foot tall.

so if the openining of the garage is only 7 foot tall, the mill will be a foot too tall in the back of the truck to back it into the garage.

there is a rental company that has a trailer that's only 1 foot off of the ground, and I was thinking of renting it, and loading my mill on it, and hauling it up to woodburn, but I am woried that if I am on a slanted road, the mill could flip the trailer on it's side.

I thought of pulling the trailer up there hauling my gantry on it, and my mill in the truck, then setting up my gantry in the cultisack, and lifting the mill onto the trailer, then securing it, and carefully backing the trailer up the driveway, and under the garage opening, and setting up the gantry under it, and lifting it off of the trailer.

 

I am terified of tipping the trailer over with my mill in it, of cource, I will be going very very slow, and snail speed when on a tilted road, but that doesnt ease my mind, and make me want to haul it all the way up there in the trailer.

 

You guys are all smart, and been there done that, what do you think? what would you do in my place?  if I did take the mill in the truck, I could haul the lathe on the trailer, and take the gantry also, and that would make it in one trip. that's 1300lbs (mill) in the truck, and 1100lbs (lathe) plus between 4 and 5 hundred pounds also on the trailer, or in the truck (gantry)

 

maybe that is a better plan, but I would have to set up the gantry 3 times, and take it down at least twice, as long as I just leave it set up in the garage when I'm done.

also theres setting it up once to load both machines, in corvallis, and take down, and load gantry for hauling.

also the trailer rental is $20 for 24 hours, I may not be able to get all this done in one day, 2 days would be easier.

 

hauling both machines once would save gas, but keeping the trailer for only one day, and moving the mill all by itself, would also save trailer rental, and I wouldnt have to set up, and take down the gantry so many times in one day.

 

If I could haul the mill on the trailer, and haul the lathe in the truck, then I could load both machines at once, and unload them at once, and only have to set up, and take down the gantry twice in one day, and if I left the gantry set up in the garage, then I would only have to take it down once, and put it up twice, but what if the trailer tips over? I am terified of that, the outer wheel base of the trailer is 6 feet, the mill is 6 foot, 5 w/the head inverted. the trailer looks pretty heavy, it has a heavy steel construction, and the floor is 2x6 wood planks, with steel bracing under them, it also tilts, but I wont be tilting it.

So that's my dilima, I can post pictures of the trailer, and gantry, and machines, and hauling vehicle, and pictures of my progress, is it possable for the trailer to tip over? is it likely that it could tip over?  It would be a wonderfull thing if I could just haul my mill all the way on the trailer, it would be a horable thing taking what's left of my mill to the scrap yard and looking like a retard.

I said before, I will be going very slow, never above 45mph, and mostly slower if I can get away with it, and if there is any tipping roads, I will avoid them at all costs, and if I cant get around one, I will creep at a walking speed over them.

 

What would you do??? please HELP!!!

December 8, 2011
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A picture of the trailer would be nice if the trailer bed is low or on the same plain as the axles or only 6" to a foot above then the trailer shouldn't tip over sideways, but I think if the mass of the mill is low and the mill is tied down good to the trailer with nylon straps or chains with boomers you shouldn't have any problems. Nailing 2x4" blocks around the mill to the floor of the trailer will help in keeping the mill from trying to slide around or you could even bolt the mill to the trailer floor. If you take the mills head off that will help lower the center of gravity and possibly the table, but then again you have to mess with putting the head back on along with the table.

Tying everything down so it can't shift or move will be a big plus.

December 9, 2011
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pop,

I'm with Norman.  If you tie the mill down securely to the bed of the trailer, I don't see how the mill is going to tip the trailer over.  Pictures of the trailer would be helpful to make sure.

What is the load rating of the trailer?  Single or dual axle?

I'm familiar with the area you're talking about, and I don't see any problems if we're just talking taking Hwy 20 from Corvallis through Albany, and then up north on Interstate 5.

When is the move planned?  We, of course, are going to want to see tons of pictures of the loading and unloading of all of the toys.

December 9, 2011
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Wow! you guys are awesome! I'm very glad to excersize my thoughts on your ideas, and so glad you responded. I have to drive out to albany (15miles) to get some pictures of the trailer, the move is happening as soon as possable, with a deadline of the end of the month, still have to build the gantry.

since you both have excited me so much because of your concearn, and "know how" I am heading out right now to take pictures of the material that I have for the gantry, and my machines (in my poor machinists man cave, if there is such a thing as a poor machinist LOL) hey, I may not be top notch, but I have my gifts, and I love to draw and design on mastrcam, and solidworks, and machine stuff. because I only have mono-ocular vision, that cant possibly be what you call it, but basically, I'm cock-eyed, and cant focous on one point with both eyes, and lock in the angular depth perception as others with bi-occular vision can, so welding school was extreamely dificult for me, but I'm glad that if I do make a mistake machining, then I can weld it back up, and re-machine it. I also have an AAS in machine tool. my other hoby is sailing, I have a catalina 22 and love to sail. I may be poor, but when I ever get money, I buy stuff worth having, and no my catalina hasnt been a hole in the watter to throw my money into LOL.  I'm going to post this first, then go out to grab the pictures.

December 9, 2011
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player,

It sounds like you're getting excited about the move.  Boating is fun.

How certain are you of the 1300 pound weight for your knee mill?

 

December 9, 2011
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December 9, 2011
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Ok, here we have the legs of the gantry, they are 3"x5" 1/8" thick 9.5 feet tall with built in a-frame, they were used to hold rolls of carpet weighing in at 18000lbs. the cross beam will be 1/4" thickness 2"x4" square tubing, and a 2x2-1/4"thick square tubing, with a trolley that roals over top of the beams, the top beam is the 2x4, and the 2x2 is centered under the 2x4, and grooved into the top of the legs so that the 2x4 sits atop of the legs, and flanges are welded, and braced to allow the beams to be bolted to the legs. I have the plans all drawn up on solidworks, if you want I can send prints. I wanted to extend the leg feet another 2 feet to add stability, I read that most 10' tall gantrys have a 64" footprint, and mine lack 2', but I will be careful to lift, and not swing, I thought of just bolting the feet to some 2x6 wood planks that extend out the extra 2 feet, I think the feet are about 37" right now. there will be no casters on the gantry, and the trolley will always be centered, and the machines will only be lifted, then lowered, no swing, so slide, no movement, just streight up, then streight down. what about the harbor freight chain hoist, it has grade 80 chain, and it's a 1 ton? I will be carefull to make sure the straps can not slip, and cause the load to drop, then grab making the load increase in a sudden jolt. so then, theres a little more inf. I'm really looking forward to your input. and with the pictures to come of the trailer, I'm sure you will be impressed with the tie down points on the trailer, there perfect, I know they will do fine, it's the tipping that scares me. thanks

December 9, 2011
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Titaniumboy said:

player,

It sounds like you're getting excited about the move.  Boating is fun.

How certain are you of the 1300 pound weight for your knee mill?

 

Hey fellow tinkerer, your right, I'm extremely excited to move, I will have the river in my back yard, and I have a 3 year old son, and im 40 years old, and thrilled to poor everything I am into my son, and watch him grow up, fishing everyday if we can, sailing everyday if we could, machining all the time if we could, so much fun, so much to do, I am absolutely thrilled.

December 11, 2011
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I have been looking for anything I can find on trailers rolling over, and all I can find is tractor trailer rollovers. in this accident, the trailer stayed up, and the truck rolled over. http://www.pieforensic.com/case-VAR.html

Does anyone have any information on the probability of a trailer rollover because of hauling a heavy tall load, and driving on a slanted road surface? please let me know if you can find any info. Thanks

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