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Install a VFD on a Grizzly G0602 10x22 Lathe
April 11, 2011
9:25 AM
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[Disclaimer: This is not my project, although I hope to do this someday.  This project was done by Henry Arnold on the Yahoo Group 10x22grizzlyand thelike, and he has graciously given permission for this reprint.]

 

Installing a VFD and 3 Phase Motor on a 10x22 Lathe

I love my 10x22 Lathe. It is a very capable machine but can be made even better by adding a 3 phase motor and Variable Frequency Drive (VFD). The new motor and VFD give the lathe low speed operation with great torque and higher high speed operation of up to 3600 RPM. In addition, the 3 phase motor runs smother giving a better finish and is more reliable than the old single phase motor which came with the lathe.

I have documented my 3 Phase Motor up-grade in pictures in the Photo section here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/…..pic /list

The photo section from the 10x22 Group showed the installation of a NEMA 56 type motor. I have since found out that most of the 10x22 lathes come equipped with an IEC D80 motor which is also known as a metric motor. This motor is a drop in replacement which will allow you to skip making a bushing, modifying the shaft, and mounting issues. A Leeson 1 HP D80 3 Phase motor is available for $140 from http://www.amazon.com Thanks to Robert Goslin of the10x22 Yahoo group for posting this information.

This document shows the installation of the motor, the Teco 1 HP VFD (110V input- 220V 3 Phase output), a digital Tach/SFM module, and an external cabinet to mount the VFD.

This is the Leeson motor which I used:

1hp 1700RPM D80 Frame 230 V Leeson Electric Metric Motor #192051 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000L9ORU4/ref=oss_product

This motor cost $140 including free Amazon shipping. IT IS A DROP IN REPLACEMENT. No modifications were needed. The mounting holes are correct, the size is correct, and the shaft/keyway and end hole are all correct. I messed around for a week adapting a 56C frame motor to work. If you have the $140 dollars, this is the way to go. It is a beautiful motor which has excellent ball bearing construction and is smooth running. [Titaniumboy note: as of 4/11/11, this motor was unavailable on Amazon.]

I bought a Teco 115V in/220 3Phase out VFD. What a great VFD! It is a sensorless vector drive which provides awesome torque right down to very low RPMs. It only costs $131.

http://www.dealerselectric.com…..38;PID=428

I highly recommend the Leeson Motor and Teco VFD. You can't beat the price. Buying a 56C motor will take more work to install than purchasing the new Leeson Motor.

I added a Tachometer/SFM module of my own design and I moved all electronics except the tachometer to an external plastic box mounted on the side of my bench.

The following page contains the schematic for connecting a VFD to a 3 Phase motor for the 10x22:

 

This design includes the original magnetic contactor except I moved it to the external box with the VFD. It uses all original switches except that the direction switch is now low voltage. The tachometer is optional. The schematic shows the cable breaks between the lathe and the control box. I used connectors for these breaks but this is optional. The control box is an off the shelf item from the Home Depot electrical isle. I included a fan which probably was not necessary which is why it is not shown on the schematic.

I added connectors for my low voltage and 110V cables so I can disconnect the new control box from the lathe.

This picture shows the wiring to the lathe front panel. All original switches were used. The potentiometer and tachometer were added to the panel.

During the rebuild, I removed all electrical components inside the original 10x22 control box. One of my single phase start capacitors had an end cap which was ready to blow out and had bubbles all over the exterior. I would have had to replace this cap if I hadn't done the upgrade.

The box contains the VFD, the original contactor, a terminal strip, a wall wart for the tachometer, and the optional fan. The fan blows air up through the VFD and out a passive vent on the top of the box.

The total 3 Phase motor/VFD upgrade cost was about $315. [Titaniumboy note: this does not include the custom tachometer.]

VFD $130

Motor $140

Box $ 30

Potentiomenter $5

Misc Cables $10

TOTAL $315

Lathe shown running at 485RPM. The left knob controls the speed. The right knob allows me to switch between RPM and SFM and enter work diameter.

A great lathe is now even better!

Install VFD on Grizzly G0602 10x22 Lathe.pdf

April 11, 2011
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ill do a thread on this for you guys when i get mine in, i actually ordered them yesterday to go with my CNC conversion hehe =D

April 11, 2011
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Jeremy,

I didn't know you were in the middle of a VFD installation on your G0602.  I've had my lathe for months and not gotten as far as you have.

What did you end up buying for the drive and three phase motor?  The write-up above shows the direct replacement IEC D80 frame motor from Leeson, but since they aren't available from Amazon now, the lowest price I've found is about $180 delivered from Electricmotorwarehouse.com.  For that kind of price I'm motivated to modify a NEMA 56 frame motor.

April 11, 2011
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lol neither did i. i just purchased them yesterday. i am using the leeson iec d80 and teco vfd just like that guy did. i purchased the motor off ebay for $75 shipped, it has one broken mount which shouldnt be a prob as i am sure it will hold it plenty well, but i will fab something up to attach to the motor as a replacement mount. the guy has one more that also has one broken mount but the fan is also broken, not sure how hard it would be to get a replacement on that.

April 11, 2011
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$315 is more then I would want to spend, considering that for my lathe I would need bigger more expensive components. But I ask do you want a variable speed drive so that you could easily switch between all speeds or do you want to just be able to fill the blanks between gear/belt speeds. If you decide on the second choice then the best decision is to use the existing motor and buy a single phase vfd such as one from http://www.quasarelectronics.c…..rivers.htm. I know that we have discussed this earlier and that reducing the speed of a single phase motor leads to inferior torque at low speed but it's one eights to one tenths the price, yes 1/8 to 1/10 the price.                   

The best laid schemes on mill and lathe, Go often askew, -Bobby Burns, If he was a machinist.  
April 11, 2011
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jeremy0203 said:

i am using the leeson iec d80 and teco vfd just like that guy did. i purchased the motor off ebay for $75 shipped, it has one broken mount which shouldnt be a prob as i am sure it will hold it plenty well, but i will fab something up to attach to the motor as a replacement mount. the guy has one more that also has one broken mount but the fan is also broken, not sure how hard it would be to get a replacement on that.

I might be interested.  Who is the eBay seller?

 

Alexander,

Thanks for the link.  Those prices are insanely low.  I didn't realize that single phase motors could have their speed changed.  The controllers, though, said that they would not work with capacitor start/run single phase motors – would we need to replace the motor?

Other than being a cool project, the VSD would allow reverse.  Also not having to change belts again would be wonderful. As secondary benefits, the VSD will allow soft starting instead of across-the-line starting, which will be easier mechanically and electrically on the lathe.  Also the VSD will work in nicely if I ever convert the lathe to CNC as Jeremy is doing.

April 11, 2011
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Just a cautionary note, but the originator of the report in the OP states that he can achieve 3600 RPM. This could carry a risk, as the chucks most often used for these machines are rated to a maximum of 2500 RPM. There are certainly chucks from low cost factories rated to 3500, but I've not seen one fitted to a regular Chinese sourced import. The main risk is that of losing clamping force due to centrifugal forces, resulting in possible workpiece loosening and subsequent ejection. It's known that clamping force can halve at maximum operating speeds on some chuck arrangements. This depends on the type of jaws in use, a best case being lightweight aluminium soft jaws, followed closely by the normal stepped jaws, then stepped outside type, and the worst being steel soft jaws which can lose holding force at twice the rate of regular ones.

In addition fast braking speeds from high RPM's can stress chuck fixings and overcome low end systems such as the basic three stud arrangement many of our lathes use. True pro chucks are most often located on fast tapers and are key driven with retention via a threaded collar, or by cam locked drive pins. Our lathes won't have the constant motor speed clutch/brake arrangement a decent pro lathe has, so chances for over braking are minimised, but an over zealous brake rate on an inverter could stress cheap chuck fixings. Consider the weight of, say, a 4" chuck, add the weight of the workpiece, then think about the inertia that chuck holds when rotating from this chaps 3600 RPM to nothing in a couple of seconds, and all that shear force going through three 8mm studs and a bit of friction on the mating faces.

Normally high speed chucks in pro shops are controlled witin a 'Total Preventative Maintenance' (TPM) program where the holding force of the chuck is regularly measured, couple with an enforced maintenance and inspection schedule. Take a cheaply made chuck and overspeed it and the consequences could be very serious indeed.

Sorry to scare monger, but it should be said. Do not exceed the rated speed of your chucks, if you don't know what that speed is, best to find out.

April 11, 2011
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lol im already scared of the max speed on the lathe as it is, i will def not be going anywhere near 3600

April 11, 2011
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here is a link to the other motor

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/8326-Leeso…..1007wt_905

April 11, 2011
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$200 shipping, WTF 

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