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7:41 AM
April 19, 2011
OfflineWant to build your own scribe but don't have heat treating capabilities ??
Want to build your own odd leg caliper and need a scriber for it ?
Go to your local welding supply store and buy a tungsten rod for a TIG welder grind the appropriate point on it and there you have a very hard and durable point that will give years of service.
They are available in several sizes.
~Chris
3:52 PM
October 11, 2010
OfflineYou have some good ideas but that rod is pure tungsten, and for scribers you would rather use tungsten carbide. A good source for carbide rod is circuit board drills, you can buy them online but I got some twelve packs of them with a 1/8" shank and a 1/64" drill. Their good for what they do but I have just snapped of the end then inserted them in a drill chuck then use a diamond hone to continue the taper to a point.

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4:36 PM
April 19, 2011
OfflineCan anyone explain the difference in real working properties between pure tungsten and tungsten carbide and also where one might get tungsten carbide ?? I know my Dad used to get some sort of tungsten rod (and now that you mention it I believe he did call it tungsten carbide) when he worked at Timken roller bearing and I'm not smart enough to know the difference
. I know Timken made a lot of high quality specialty steels.
I ask because I'm thinking tungsten is much harder than steel even if it may not be as tough perhaps as tungsten carbide ??
While it may not be the "most" preferable would it not still work ??
I haven't tried it… I just thought it sounded like it would work in a pinch.
Also it "looked" very similar to what is in my odd leg caliper, but all steel sort of looks the same so that isn't saying much.
I may just go grind some to a point and see how it works and get back to you ? Nothing like a good experiment to try it and know if it works or not
.
5:30 PM
April 19, 2011
OfflineI ground a rod to a point and scribed several lines on a coarsely turned piece of 5" dia. steel and the tip didn't appear any worse for the wear. I realize this isn't extensive research but I believe for home shop purposes these rods will work just fine.
I figure with the ridges on the metal I scribed if the tungsten were too brittle it would have left a dull point…it did not, but appeared just as sharp to my finger as before I scribed the lines. So I say IMHO if you want to make a scribe of this welding electrode you'll get to draw many a line on your steel before you have to resharpen it.
Nothing ventured,,nothing gained
.
However I would still like any technical data by someone in the know just for curiosities sake and would also like to know what the 3% thoriated means ???
8:37 PM
April 19, 2011
OfflineAlex my apology if I sounded a bit cheeky.
That was NOT my intent and I think yours is also an excellent idea. Also I appreciate your comments and corrections. AND YOUR INPUT
.
~Chris
10:36 PM
October 11, 2010
OfflineThere is no need to apologies Chris, I sorry if I have been at all insulting my self. As I said before it's a great idea to use welding rods for other purposes however they are not suitable for cutting tools, this is because tungsten has about the same hardness as tool steel but more expensive. The difference between tungsten and tungsten carbide is like the difference between steel and carbon steel with a few differences. Starting with steel, adding carbon increases hardness or rather gives it the potential to become hardened, it also sightly increases the melting point and subsequently the softening point, and also has little effect on the density. As for tungsten adding carbon increases the hardness as expected but also decreases the density significantly by twenty percent and slightly decreases the melting point. Although pure tungsten has no practical use in cutting tool it still has its place in high temperature conditions such as welding. The method I mentioned above, I have doing for years, These dozen packs cost only $7 at my local electronics store. I had bought the carbide scriber as seen below and when the tip brook off I had replaced it with sharpened carbide drill instead of buying a new scriber or spending an eternity to get it sharp. It doesn't take long to sharpen it down to a point and will be excellent for your odd ledge caliper, but since you have already made a scriber from the welding rod there is nothing with proceeding.
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7:05 AM
April 19, 2011
Offline
Many times as in this one I have
sought to use those things I happened to have available already in my shop.
Since my accident 5 yrs ago I have "bought" precious little new
things and don't know or remember the cost of those things I have. So I tend to
use what I have and make do… as I've done for many years already. I happened
to have the tungsten electrodes on hand from another project (I don't have
a TIG welder anymore) so was trying to think of a use for them. $7 for a
pack of superior scribe points sounds like a bargain. Also using
things available from other sources than the "normal" machining
stores makes good sense and gives us some food for thought and tools for cheap.
A motto I learned as a boy was;
Eat it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.
This has seen me through a lot of belt tightening times and applies to many areas of life. We as
hobby machinists are privileged above the average person in being able to
make our own things that others have to buy parts for.
Tyler I sometimes have trouble with the forum posting what I write using only forum resources and end up copying it to Word and then copying it back in order to get it to post without the "embedded error" notice blocking my post. Am I doing something wrong or is the forum just being cantankerous ?
6:57 PM
February 28, 2010
OfflineTenn Said:
However I would still like any technical data by someone in the know just for curiosities sake and would also like to know what the 3% thoriated means ???
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Thoriated electrodes (Red paint) are slightly radioactive. Serriated (don't think that's spelled right) (Green paint) are not radioactive.
(This comes from a welder with 30+ years experience that I work with.)
1:11 PM
April 19, 2011
Offlineandrewk said:
Tenn Said:
However I would still like any technical data by someone in the know just for curiosities sake and would also like to know what the 3% thoriated means ???
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Thoriated electrodes (Red paint) are slightly radioactive. Serriated (don't think that's spelled right) (Green paint) are not radioactive.
(This comes from a welder with 30+ years experience that I work with.)
Thanks Andewk
sorry it took so long to get back to you I've been away a bit. Now can you tell us why radioactive or nonradioactive is important in TIG welding ??
I'm assuming it has something to do with what type off metal you are welding ??
5:42 PM
February 28, 2010
OfflineSorry Chris, I was wrong. Green is pure tungsten
.
Well, near as I can figure, the addition of the thorium makes the electrode hold a point better (so it may be better for the scribe?). The pure rods break down at high current.
miller has a great info site on tig electrodes (if you really want to know): http://www.millerwelds.com/res…..rode-guide
Just remember, if you grind a red electrode, wear a respirator.
Andrew
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